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Nvidia’s GPU quality issues
August 19, 2008

What should Nvidia do about suspect graphics processing units, which might fail because of a potentially weak die/packaging material set? For Dell computers containing a suspect Nvidea GPU, Dell recommends flashing the BIOS to provide improved fan control that will smooth out the temperature fluctuations that can exacerbate chip failures. HP makes a similar recommendation.

But the Wall Street Journal reports today that “...the way the chip maker and two computer manufacturers are handling a product defect hasn't pleased some critics, adding to a series of headaches for the Silicon Valley company.” The Journal article adds, “…some consumers who posted complaints on Web message boards don't seem satisfied with the BIOS fix, knowing they own computers that could stop working. ‘I hope Dell realizes that people will not be happy until their graphics cards are replaced,’ wrote one customer on the computer maker's site. Added another: ‘I did not pay for a high-end logic bomb.’"

The Journal alludes to Intel’s 1994 problem with Pentium processors that could not correctly make certain floating-point calculations. After some hesitation, Intel offered to replace the chips, no questions asked, for customers who wanted new ones, resulting, as the Journal notes, in a $475 million write-down.

Nvidia doesn’t seem inclined to go that route. From the Journal article: “…Jen-Hsun Huang, Nvidia's chief executive, said the situations are different. His company's problem…doesn't usually cause problems, he said. It can be affected by the choice of other components in a system, and how computer makers designed their products; different configurations of the same laptop could behave differently, he said.”

I’m not sure I see the difference. Intel’s Pentium “problem” didn’t usually cause problems, either. It depended on what software users were running and what problems they were trying to solve.

In any event, the Journal reports that Nvidia has set aside a $196 million reserve to deal with the problem. It says Huang estimated the cost of each system repair at around $400 for chips that cost $15 to $20.

What do you think? If you had a computer with a suspect GPU, would you want it to be replaced, no questions asked?


Posted by Rick Nelson on August 19, 2008 | Comments (7)


August 19, 2008
In response to: Nvidia’s GPU quality issues
Anonymous1234 commented:

How about just having Dell replace boards with "compatible" boards after they fail, then charge back the actual failed boards to Nvidia? Seems to make the most sense. Why replace 100 % at $400 each on a $15 chip when you might actually end up only replacing 1% over life of Dell product. That is equivalent to $4 for a $15 chip. Dell could help out here a lot if they were really good partners to their customers and suppliers.




August 19, 2008
In response to: Nvidia’s GPU quality issues
Azmat commented:

If you had a computer with a suspect GPU, would you want it to be replaced, no questions asked? I would like to get an openended coupon from the manufacturer (HP?Dell?) for the $400, applicable to the purchase of a system in future. If my system fails, and I want it repaired, I turn in the coupon for the repair.




August 19, 2008
In response to: Nvidia’s GPU quality issues
I nvidia those with an ATI GPU commented:

One of the things about laptops is that you can't seriously think about repairing them. You have to cross your fingers once the warranty is over and hope that it will last enough to make your investment worthwhile. That is the only way to see it. Usually repairing a laptop after a couple of years will cost you almost the same as a new and better one. What hope are we left with of our investment being worth it? I think that the only other option to replacing the laptops, which would probably be prohibitive, is to give all of us a long enough warranty to feel that we will get what he paid for. I need a 8 year to feel OK with this.




August 19, 2008
In response to: Nvidia’s GPU quality issues
Larry M commented:

The Pentium FDIV bug is a bad comparison. A better analogy is the XBox 360 GPU failure which (like the Nvidia failure) occurs due to overheating. Microsoft did the right thing and is replacing the units without limitation. Nvidia/Dell should do likewise. Laptop owners will not be pleased with the BIOS upgrade which reduces battery life by running the fan more frequently, and for longer durations.




August 20, 2008
In response to: Nvidia’s GPU quality issues
HP_and_Dell_Customer commented:

I agree that repairing laptops is not as easy as swapping a video card in a desktop. The laptop repair protocol followed by both Dell and HP is to replace the failed mainboard with a "referbished" one from a scrapped unit that failed for other reasons. The repair centers no longer rework high density components on PCBs. Unfortunately, these repairs often are short lived, ultimately failing within weeks or months after being put back into service. I would agree that a coupon for future purchase is the best option here.




August 21, 2008
In response to: Nvidia’s GPU quality issues
jpconard commented:

Since mine died Sunday, I wanted a refund Costco said no. HP said I will get better parts. Post above says I will get refurb parts. Which is it? Do I get a new 2 yr. warranty after the fix? I should. Well I received the box, so I guess I'll have to send it in tomorrow. Tired of fighting Costco. I was hoping some new solution would be announced after the Wall Street press Tuesday. Guess not yet.




August 22, 2008
In response to: Nvidia’s GPU quality issues
ARFF commented:

Mine died a month ago and I am still trying to purchase a new card from Dell. So far they have managed to send me an ATI desktop card (!?), ordered a card for me that they didnt have in stock, and ordered a card that they had in stock but never shipped! (BTW - Dell has several part numbers for the same card dependent on which model they were shipped in, 3 different part numbers on my card - one $226, one $369, and one $504! for the exact same card!)The coupon idea is a good one, but after dealing with Dell's customer service for the past month, they would find some way to not honor the coupon.





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